Hi These are my second pair of Valleretts, bought when I thought I had lost my Markhofs (subsequently found). I love the Markhof but was disappointed at it's waterproofness so when I thought I'd lost them and was looking at the website again, I settled on the Milfords and they have been great. They've been worn several times now, both with and without the waterproof layer and they've lived up to expectations during photography and birdwatching trips, and are probably better suited to the weather here in the south of England than the Markhofs. The fit isn't quite as snug as the Markhofs but is still good and better than any other gloves I've had.